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So, I'm gonna ask a dumb question: if you want to have FUN with creating applications and don't care too much about what you're using or how "objectively" good it is, what do y'all like to use? one of my problems is I haven't really had _fun_ programming for a long while, probably not since BeOS rose and fell. Unity was a _little_ fun maybe.

@kel yeah, I guess you've got a point there, although it's really kinda difficult for even me to imagine that I'm gonna have _fun_ with, like, fucking around with a gcc installation or some shit like that

@Alyx Unity's appeal as a "just having fun" kinda tool has always been weird to me because when you really start using it a lot there are so many frustrations.

If you want to make games, maybe GameMaker or love2d.org/? I don't know what's fun for application dev, maybe a smalltalk thing like Pharo?

Also depends on your taste, I have fun writing UIs with github.com/ocornut/imgui but it really caters to a certain kind of audience

@drjeats ah, thanks for the suggestions! I've only had one shot at GameMaker and it was when I was still getting very easily frustrated with things that didn't make immediate sense. I'll start giving the unfamiliar things a look-see.

I admit most of the fun I got from Unity was with playing around with 3D geometry in code. I'm less of a computer programmer and more of a science and math geek who got into computers after the fact. Unity gave me a chance to do some trig again XD

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