@sungo Well... I have the Moto Z Play and love it!

Battery life is crazy-good. Can't comment on the vanilla Moto Z though.

@morgan I guess I should ask these days what the "security patch level" date is since that's more important to me. Yay for maybe security :)
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@sungo They've been sending out security patches once a month, which is pretty cool.

Though I do wish it was easier to acquire root and/or use a custom ROM. Those will be my priority in my next purchase, in a year or two.

I'm getting around 6-7 hours of screen-on-time; my previous phone would get around 3.

@morgan I find myself worrying less about rooting these days. With the death of Cyanogen, the ROM community is driven by their attention span which is lacking these days.

@sungo Good point.

It'd be nice if there was a cheap, open source phone eventually. Something more like a computer, where you can put pretty much any OS on it.

...I can dream. :P

@morgan Ubuntu tried and failed. Nokia had debian based deices way back in the day. But at this point in the game, it's really difficult for a someone other than Samsung or Apple to make a serious dent in the market. Microsoft can't do it and even Google's own phones don't have much of an impact.
@morgan Thank you for suggesting the z play. It looks like it'll do what I want and it looks to be cheap enough that I can pay for it with credit card points :)
@sungo @morgan Death of CM? Have you heard of it's sister project LineageOS? Literally made from the same base, and some of the same devs. In fact you could call it Cyanogenmod.
@stitchxd @morgan Except Lineage doesn't support even half of what CM used to. I have a bunch of sony devices that were 100% supported by CM up until the day they closed up shop. Lineage doesn't and won't support them because there isn't anyone with the time or desire to.
@sungo @morgan Do the devices support the versions of Android that Lineage is?
@stitchxd @morgan For the most part, yes. In one case, CM was a couple of revs ahead because the drivers worked just fine.
@sungo @morgan That's pretty strange since both CM and Lineage are the same.. I mean for crying out loud, isn't lineage supposed to be CM's replacement???
@stitchxd @morgan CM was driven by market forces to support as much as they could, particularly where the drivers just worked. Lineage is driven by attention span and volunteer effort and are making a best effort to keep "official" builds as something that won't be abandoned a few weeks later
@sungo @morgan Well if it was CM supported, porting over lineage will not be a hard task at all.
@stitchxd @morgan Again, for someone with the time and desire. And someone with the time and desire to handle long term support. That's one of the requirements to get officially supported by Lineage, a commitment by folks to maintain the build long term.
@sungo @morgan I guess some dev's just cant do it then. Most of us unfortunately cannot dedicate the required time for it, I have a few custom ROM's for a few android devices that I had to abandon because time alone.
@sungo @morgan That's a shame though - does UBPorts support your phone(s)?
@stitchxd @morgan Ubuntu phone is dead. There's no real point in trying to replace an unsupported vendor build with an unsupported linux build with no apps.
@sungo @morgan UBports isn't dead, they name was changed to Ubuntu Personal...
@stitchxd @morgan I appreciate that you're trying to help but right now I'm looking at new android phones, not resurrecting my old ones.
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