@mavica yea i'm running all that shit in docker right now, it still manages to be a clusterfuck with very fragile configuration and pretty dangerous for non-mail-experts to make changes at risk of accidentally becoming an open relay or some shite.

its not about packaging up the complexity IMO, but reducing and removing it entirely.

i'll probably still run it in docker, but i won't need 9 containers and a health monitoring container that continuously sweeps and restarts unhappy microservices