queer terminology meta
honestly didn't know the main problem ppl had with the phrase "women and enbies" was that it excludes masc aligned enbies and trans men? i always thought it was cause it sorta feminized enbyness. like genderlessness in its natural state shouldn't be closer to femme than masc?
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@myconidiosyncracy two sides of the same coin, really. masc enbies being excluded results in treating nb as inherently feminine and vice versa
the distinction doesn't seem to have much functional difference
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@autistikai yeah i was actually justing sitting here going "wait both of my points is the same".
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@autistikai also seems bothersome that exclusion of masculinity still indicates feminity, even in our community? like there are so many different types of id's that reject both? i think masc and femme are good terms and useful, but the way they end up getting pushed as a sort of secondary, softer binary is weird
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@myconidiosyncracy @autistikai we'd have thought that there would be at least a staunchly middle-ground androgynous, but everything about that is already assimilated into the concepts of masculine and feminine by virtue of them being the accepted binary.
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@violet @myconidiosyncracy futch scale sorta comes into play here, but that runs into issues because of the tendency to associate the terminology specifically with lesbians to the exclusion of the actual plethora of queer identities that use them
