My wrinkle in thus evolutionary model is the proposition that NT succeeds at low-cost converted group action in a stable situation (environment, climate, social structure), but that ND succeeds at adaptive responses to environmental changes. During tens of thousands of years, bands of humans that were mostly NT and a few ND survived best by thriving during stable times and surviving through unstable times. Hence, the majority/minority distribution.
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. . . just, are you saying the proportions were the same, would be the same, 90/10 or whatever?
@punishmenthurts @joshsusser @actuallyautistic The proportions, whatever they are, represent the “fittest” arrangement for groups of 100-200 humans fir a long chunk of prehistoric time.
@GTMLosAngeles @punishmenthurts @joshsusser @actuallyautistic I know I’m late to the party here, but what neurotype do you think was leading these bands of 100-200 humans?
My guess? Neurotypicals were called chief, but Neurodivergents were called Shaman.
Which one was actually in charge could be a subject for discussion.
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In most indigenous cultures, there were a number of roles and positions that were highly valued and came with no small amount of authority in terms of the tribe's day-to-day activities. Many of these roles involved being able to work independently and often for long periods alone and also required skill sets needing intense concentration and pattern recognition. Such as scout, pathfinder, trader and hunter.
Roles, in other words, where ND's could thrive and be respected enough to be considered prime marriage material.
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Leader. Management. Role. Whatever those things mean to us in our culture and the time of our language cannot possibly have much relevance to the many and varied interactions of humans tens of thousands of years in the past.
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That I like.
I'm thinking in terms of the peacenik archaeology, the Chalice and the Blade - in fact, I understand my new copy is downstairs in my mailbox right now - that you don't really need a leader to simply live.
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But a second thought I need to get out is, the odds are not good in this possibly very Neurodiverse environment (the premise of this thread, I think), that anybody can lead them all at anything. Leading works on a bunch of Allistics, I think, and maybe nowhere else?
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Sounds like a classic comedy premise, one NT guy trying to lead a hundred Neurodivergents , sorry
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I think that was Newsradio (and a thousand other things) 😘
@punishmenthurts @GTMLosAngeles @pathfinder @ScottSoCal @joshsusser @actuallyautistic I did a leadership course recently, and was struck by how all the advice tended towards autistic styles of communication, eg be direct, make and keep agreements like contracts, being predictable and highly fair in how you deal with others, doing what you promised, speaking truth to power (speak up).
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Maya, the World of Illusion. I think these are still dreams for the normal, these things haven’t made it into their actual, functioning ideals yet, which are more like being strong and being seen as such.
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They know those are the goals on paper, but it’s like someone told me about music, it’s this super complicated set of rules that good music doesn’t mind breaking on the regular, except I guess, more so.
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They dream about a life where we can be that way, and so they talk about it a lot, but it is somehow not “real life,” for them, which means the social world, not the actual “real,” one.
@ScottSoCal @GTMLosAngeles @punishmenthurts @joshsusser @actuallyautistic sounds like the ancient Irish tradition of the king and the poet. The poets had equal social status and could directly hold a chief or high king to account:
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(I’m waiting on the OP, but I have this bookmarked and I’m 👀