aaaaa i think i figured the port forward thing out ??? i had to enable a thing not documented anywhere i could find
and i also went ahead and set up dyndns client so that should update automatically too now (though i think my server already did that but you never know)
NAT loopback doesn't seem to be working though...?
ssh vps -> ssh my ext ip works
ssh my ext ip doesn't work
ssh internal server ip works
hmmmm but the nat loopback flag is set in the port forwards... hhhh