I'm excited to finish a PC repair that I started 16 1/2 years ago. I thought it would never happen.

It wouldn't have taken so long or been so worth it today if it wasn't my first laptop or one that runs Windows *without* Internet Explorer. (Yes, IE was actually optional back when I first got it.)

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Toshiba T4600C repair (-) 

Well, crap. I can't even test if my HDD is good or not (I have a known-working I can reformat if it isn't), because both the FDD inside my laptop & the spare I recently picked up have spindle drive belts that either slipped off the motor or just lost too much elasticity to grip the motor's spindle. Worse, the FDD is a slim model with ribbon cables, & IDEK if off-brand replacements ever existed. (Using a USB FDD is out because USB didn't exist yet.)

Toshiba T4600C repair (-) 

I need a working FDD in this thing to do anything else anyway.

I have a HDD that booted normally a few days ago, but whoever installed Windows 95 on it installed it using a CD drive the lappy doesn't even have a port for. When I go to change anything, it tells me to put the CD into a nonexistent drive.

I have installation floppies I can blow away the janked install with, but that's why I need a working FDD.

Toshiba T4600C repair (~) 

Reading online and talking to the indy Radio Shack folks, I'm told I can probably get away with using a rubber band as a temporary replacement belt. I'm sure I can, and now that I know how to dig the floppy drive out, it's something that I could try, but the fewer times I disassemble the laptop all the way from the top shell down to the bottom, the better.

Also, things are starting to look up regarding the mere existence of replacement floppy drive belts.

Toshiba T4600C repair (~) 

I just found the strangest advice: Boil the belt in water for about 10 minutes. I have no idea if it'll work, and the one who suggested it never elaborated.

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Well, I have a drive of unknown condition with the belt out, a drive that was known working 17 years ago save for a belt now gone slack (but not removed), and an unknown-condition drive on the way. Worst that happens is a belt I already measured breaks apart from really bad advice.

Holy crap, boiling the belt for 10 minutes almost worked! I had a tiny bit of trouble getting the belt back around the disk spindle & guide pulley, but it wasn't quite as much trouble as it should've been. It's just barely too slack for the motor spindle to grip while a disk is in the drive.

Toshiba T4600C repair [-] 

I gave the belt another 10 minutes in a bath of boiling water, and it's just not going to shrink any more. It's done.

I got the other floppy drive, and the belt actually broke at the motor spindle. I guess I did too much "come on please just work" last time I used it. I taped it back together, but only so I can size possible replacements; there's no way it'll ever work again in any belt-driven system, let alone an older floppy drive.

Toshiba T4600C repair [~] 

BTW, both are Matsushita EME-278TY drives, which Toshiba used in the T4500, T4600, T4700, & T4800 series of laptops.

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The third drive came in, & it has the same bad belt problem. My last hope for a local source was a belt from a bargain bin, but it's both too big (218 mm) & too thick.

I have 3 Matsushita EME-278TY floppy disk drives, & all 3 have stretched or broken belts. I've never even *seen* a belt-driven 3.5" drive before this month.

Would anyone happen to have 3 thin spindle belts about 214-216 mm in circumference, 1-2 mm wide, and less than 1 mm thick, you could part with?

Toshiba T4600C repair [+?] 

I may have underestimated the pre-stretch circumference. I found someone who sells Matsushita FDD belts, giving the circumference as 18 cm, & for about $12 all told. Not bad if it's right, & I'll find out in just a few days.

But if that's right, then the 25 year old belt stretched out another 5 cm in the drive. That's a fantastic amount, but since I pulled them out so easily that they almost fell out on their own, it's also plausible.

The new 180 mm belt came in, and wrapping it around the floppy drive spindles & pulley felt exactly as hard as it needs to be.

I hope it's because the motor ribbon missed the PCB connector when I reassembled the floppy drive...

Nope. The motor just isn't turning the belt, but it isn't free-spinning either. :blobnomouth:

The new floppy drive belt is too wide. Everything else is perfect, but it's too wide to sit right in all three channels.

In good news, the seller I got the replacement from has better communication than most businesses. They want me to send both belts (new & bad) to make sure I get the right-width one.

Toshiba T4600C repair [ +? ] 

I got the belt back, but they sanded the new belt down to the correct width instead of replacing it. Eh, whatever works.

I installed it in one of my bad-belt floppy drives, and it's actually grabbing the spindle enough to grab the metal hub & spin the mylar disc! Progress!
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But the drive isn't reading any of my boot disks. Bummer. Next step: Check the heads & hope I didn't break one.
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Toshiba T4600C repair [ - ] 

Well, that's it. The heads look good & clean, & they're on right, all the cables are firmly seated right, the belt's having no trouble turning the spindle, & all but one of the boot disks I tried are good & readable. I changed drives & moved the belt to it, & same thing. The computer's just refusing to boot.

Toshiba T4600C repair (-) 

@arielmt If worst comes to worst, a PATA expansion card and 3.5" to 2.5" PATA adapter might allow you to test the HDD externally? Kind of a tall order to get those so circumstantially though...

I'd offer the ones I had around but I think I recycled them when I moved. Plus it'd be hard to get a computer with a PCI slot these days. Hum.

@pettancow I did that about 8 years ago for basic data rescue. ISTR these types of HDDs draw more amps than later IDE drives, & I had a hard time finding a 3.5-2.5 adapter that could pump enough juice.

@arielmt Oof, power-hungry disks D: Well, using a straight mechanical adapter with a PATA card would hopefully mitigate the limits a USB-based one would have

@pettancow Yeah. TBH, I forgot how much; the one I have that booted a few days ago draws 700 mA.

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