@Eweish Not a new observation, but: sometimes it’s self-hatred and insecurity. (Sounds like a mirror image of the enby-phobia I’ve sometimes seen from binary trans people.)

@Eweish Clumsy way to refer to trans women and trans men but not trans people who are agender/nonbinary. (Clumsy because it’s not a distinction we should need to be making, arguably, but...)

@Eweish Not seeing what? Sorry, but I’m afraid you’ve lost me here.

@Eweish I’ve seen trans people demand that non-binary people “make up their minds”, though.

@Eweish I don't see what @ghost_bird has said that in any way implies all trans men and women are binarist? Just that the gender binary does not necessarily exclude trans men and women. Certainly there are trans men and women who push for a notion of gender binary that still allows them to be recognised in their identities.

I think it's useful to have language to describe those people who are more capable of assimilation into cis society.

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@Eweish @ghost_bird Who is attacking older trans women and men? I'm just saying I see a value in having a word for those who find themselves able to make their identity legible to cis world. You may well disagree with that, and we can have a discussion about the merits and drawbacks of having such a concept, but nobody here is attacking older trans women and men.

@Eweish @ghost_bird If I tell someone I'm a woman, I don't have to explain to them what a woman is. My identity is privileged by society; not so much as a cis person's identity is, clearly, but more privileged compared to someone whose identity falls outside of both "man" and "woman". I find it useful to be able to talk about this phenomenon.

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