@zens it's a bit where everybody else but you is in on the joke that "no it's really good actually you're just using it wrong"

@mavica_again @zens 1/4
I haven't had that kind of experience. I have two #popOS systems, an old Thinkpad and a desktop gaming PC. I typically do projects with rhel based os. I use #Linux a ton and it is the only OS I like. I only use #Windows on the main PC that my wife needs. So saying #Linux is bad is just sounding like a subjective argument. Yes #Linux requires a bit more work to use it. I work in IT at a data center and never had #Windows servers in the data center only #Linux servers.

@mavica_again @zens
Cont. 2/4
I know the saying that you don't value your time using #Linux which I do not agree with. I have issues with Windows way more than #Linux. 

If you prefer windows then that's fine but saying one is bad because it runs slow on a laptop is kind of silly since it is subjective. Not all hardware can run with any OS, i understand that. 

@mavica_again @zens
Cont.3/4
When I say I actually use #Linux as a daily driver I mean it. I hate #Windows since I always had performance issues on low spec systems. #Windows is a hog sometimes even on base install. Also #Windows can be annoying when you end up having to refresh it after a couple years, why? I wish I knew since windows trashes itself for some reason and do not understand why it functions that way sometimes

@SweetBlackHearts @zens not reading all that; happy for you tho, or sorry that happened

@mavica_again @zens
Cont. 4/4
If people like #MacOS then that's fine too, I prefer one and use one in my profession both being #Linux. I can do way more things with #Linux like build a quick router in like 20 minutes. Or setup a VPN. Basically any need i require it to do. 

Depending on the #Linux distro you get can reflect performance issues in its own way like #Windows can as well. Basically use and OS that can serve your needs.

@SweetBlackHearts @mavica_again https://merveilles.town/@zens/110489095078012127

@mavica_again @zens i would.never say your using it wrong to anyone. If you have issues with an OS for specific hardware if your seeking performance overall.

@SweetBlackHearts @mavica_again you literally just did

@SweetBlackHearts @mavica_again four whole posts of it

@zens @SweetBlackHearts but but but linux is actually good. maybe it's your hardware. buy the right hardware. what? no i'm not going to buy you a computer why are you asking that

@mavica_again @SweetBlackHearts it’s totally subjective that linux is bad, because it’s not my experience. if you just use my particular favourite distribution you’ll only be mildly annoyed

@zens @mavica_again

I said it can be annoying to setup if your not used to it.

I never said your using it wrong out right. Also I said doesn't matter what OS you use, use what works for you.

@SweetBlackHearts @zens i've been using linux for over a decade now, i've seen plenty of distros and preachers come and go. i think i'm very used to linux and how bad it is

@mavica_again @zens well you keep saying it's bad but never say why it's bad to you. I can also say Windows is badand that's it.

I also do not take stock in people saying they used X for a number of years since it can always be your doing it right for that long or wrong for that long.

@SweetBlackHearts @mavica_again you literally just said you would never do this literal thing you just did, word for word.

I don’t want to be mean but i am begging you to get some self awareness about what you are saying

@SweetBlackHearts @mavica_again
i know what it is like to be so invested in an idea from years of pain trying to make it work, that you feel an instinctive need to defend it every time you see someone criticising the idea.

but you can break out of this mindset by simply accepting that all operating systems are terrible. we’re all just coping with this awful unreliable extractive badly designed crap we’ve been handed and doing our best

@zens @SweetBlackHearts At Least It's Not ChomeOS™

@SweetBlackHearts @mavica_again you do not need to preach to strangers that linux can be good.

you can accept that it hurts you too. you admitted as much, a little. you don’t need to push that pain onto other people

@SweetBlackHearts @mavica_again believe me, i can talk your ear off about how good javascript can be.

but i know most people, in the height of pain, from being punished by how bad it is, aren’t interested in hearing about it

@zens @mavica_again that is totally valid but I'm not saying to say that their experience is bad since all I'm arguing is saying that it's bad without a backup argument is not good strategy

@SweetBlackHearts @mavica_again huh? no, your feelings got hurt and you decided to step in with your infodump of your cognitive dissonance. this is not a debate palace. go back to reddit or whatever if that’s what you’re into. this place is for cuddles

@zens @mavica_again I'm not preaching it I'm just trying to get a realistic expectation of why everyone thinks it's bad because just saying it's bad as an operating system as a whole is not a good argument. If I was preaching it I would say you're completely wrong I'm just saying give me a better argument

@SweetBlackHearts @mavica_again nobody is arguing here. you’ve got the wrong idea

@SweetBlackHearts @zens you ARE telling me to give you a better argument

so off the top of my head without having a linux device near me right now:

- i have never had linux make full usage of my graphics hardware
- i have never had linux play nice with all the HID i want to use
- less about the software but i have been constantly told by anyone using linux that it's my fault for wanting to use it that way, or having the hardware i have

@SweetBlackHearts @zens
- i spend SO LONG trying to WORK *AROUND* the idiosyncracies of UI, which change from distro to distro to version to version
- do-dist-upgrade never worked for me
- things break every time i do a package upgrade
- things i want to do need packages that are not in my manager because i can't do a distro upgrade, so i need to nuke the whole computer and start over
- nobody who designs software for it can agree to design it for non-programmers

@SweetBlackHearts @zens
- most people who design software for it cannot agree to be decent people (HELLO, GNU IMAGE MANIPULATOR PROGRAM)

i can keep going but i'll spare luci of more spam (sorry in advance)

@mavica_again @SweetBlackHearts the gnome team broke accessibility and refuse to fix it

@SweetBlackHearts @mavica_again not good enough. blind people who have. been hardcore linux users for years are quitting in droves, not just because of the software being broken but because of shitty dismissive attitudes like yours

@mavica_again @SweetBlackHearts i’ve never got audio to work.

every time i have ever used linux i’ve wasted entire weekends searching for hours on forums for why stuff wasn’t working, compiling obscure drivers, changing configurations. being forced to use vim

the pattern i have noticed is people who like linux like doing those things.

I do not. i do not play with computers to play with computers. or dink with driver settings. i don’t like rebooting 20 times. i like getting shit done

@zens @SweetBlackHearts AUDIO! that's a big one i forgot to mention

i do live streaming from time to time. my A/V set up will NEVER be supported by linux as easily as installing a program. i need to program a farking low-level driver in some obscure byzantine config language to do anything remotely resembling that and forget about VST support because that's filthy windows DLLs

@SweetBlackHearts @mavica_again linux is bad because of you. it’s people like you who make it bad. it’s having to put up with conversations like this that make being near linux or even talking about it publically intolerable

@mavica_again @zens ok sure still sound alien it's personal issues. Also I'm not reading all that, sorry your hurt.

@SweetBlackHearts @zens good linux experiences are alien to me too, wow, it's almost like you're starting to get it

@SweetBlackHearts @zens windows is bad? i haven't had that kind of experience. i have two #Windows10 systems, an old Thinkpad and a desktop gaming PC. i typically do projects with windows based os. i use #linux only in systems without a graphical interface because trying to use any user interface devices on linux is a spawn of satan. i work as a software engineer and never had a single #linux work computer.

@SweetBlackHearts @zens so saying #windows is bad is just sounding like a subjective argument.