@bea @TrollDecker well

good ones aren't cheap here unless i can get some from china :/

i'll look on ebay

@squirrel @TrollDecker i think for a lot of stuff they don't have to be very good to be useful. i use my crappy plastic ones a bunch

@bea @TrollDecker the thing is a lot of things here get generally way overpriced

stores here buy the same items you can get from aliexpress and charge you (sometimes much) more than double for them