maple classic™ 
how does anyone make songs longer than one minute? it's a mystery
@squirrel But... in the end my honest answer is a lot of these forms actually work well. Do something, get away from it for a little bit, then return. There's a good feeling in that return. That's the basic unit for most longer song structure.
What got me to believe in it was I guess transcribing a lot of stuff or just looking at that structure in stuff I liked. What does (insert good song) do next? Do I like that? I should experiment with doing the same.
@rainwarrior this is how i /started/ making music but i feel like i forgot a lot about that and now i've stagnated and don't know how to go back to my 2011-2012 mindset to get anything done anymore
@squirrel The other basic music form idea that I really liked was to try and very smoothly transition from one thing to another. e.g. A melody that kinda stays in one sorta loop for a while, then starts to gradually change and then ends up in another loop. That process of slowly morphing can be good music in itself, rather than just thinking in sections.
@squirrel That was a question I asked myself a lot for a long while.
I tried reading a lot of books on composition but none of them helped.
There is a lot of theory that describes "sonata form" or "rondo form" or ABA or "verse chorus verse chorus bridge chorus chorus" or something but I found it rarely attempts to explain why you should want to use a form like this...