@InspectorCaracal @troubleMoney Yes, education works to a good extent. #EUNOMIA aims to get people involved in the process too. Imagine if people didn't just ignore a piece of info that they feel certain to be untrustworthy, but did something about it. Now what that something will look like (i.e., just a "trust / don't trust this post" vote or something else), we need the help of the fediverse to determine. Hence, going public so crazily early, before even having a prototype to show to you.

@neudre @troubleMoney This is the least compelling PR copy I have read in my life.

@InspectorCaracal
I believe to understand its origines:

they are interacting with culture that they do not understand, while having a higher interest in explaining specifics about #EUnomia rather then tryn to learn.

This pattern is increasing their very own confirmation biases, which I asume is a key factor in driving their research.

They work in collaboration with the police, I advice them to read:
- Our Enemies in blue
https://www.akpress.org/our-enemies-in-blue.html

@neudre @troubleMoney

@paulfree14 @neudre @troubleMoney I'm gonna just go ahead and mute that hashtag

@paulfree14 @InspectorCaracal @troubleMoney Not true. We have already dropped google analytics since yesterday and we are working on more changes. E.g., currently looking for an equally convenient alternative to google forms. Any idea?

@neudre @troubleMoney I think you're missing the fact that "a service provided by Only One Company" is, in fact, the definition of a technological silo, and that having your verification service all provided within the framework that your project will build and provide is my point.

Whether you are leaning on other monopolizing corporations for your infrastructure or not is only tangential to that particular point.

@neudre @troubleMoney The issue here is that the entire concept of *technologically* verifying whether or not something is trustworthy or not relies on *all* of the data - whether independently gathered or crowdsourced or whatever - being collected into one place as an authoritative source.

The fediverse does not have any authoritative metrics, because authoritative metrics rely on consistency of information and while everything is *accessible* over the fediverse, not everything is *accessed*.

@InspectorCaracal @troubleMoney Awesome. Thanks for taking the time to clarify your point.

@InspectorCaracal @troubleMoney And just to clarify, because our chaotic communications approach has led to this misunderstanding, the software will not authoritatively *verify* anything other than where information came from, not whether it is trustworthy. That last part is done by the users.
Many thanks for your comments. If you would like us to use them, please share with us with that form or email provided by @Eunomia

@InspectorCaracal @troubleMoney Nice feedback. Thank you.

@neudre @paulfree14 @InspectorCaracal ...aren't you lot meant to be making a piece of software at the end of this?

Surely there's someone in the office who can bodge a quick survey form together

@neudre @InspectorCaracal @troubleMoney
what is not ture? or was this message ment to be directed to someone else?

Cause from my understanding your reply is aproofing what I said.

see:
I said you're more interested in talking about the specifics of #EUnomia rather then to learn.
I'm not sayn you don't learn at all. But you were replyn with specifics that are changing within #EUnomia. Still not one comment or question on: why to work together with those practicing/supporting pushbacks against refugees.
to just name an example.

Or why to work together with those that work towards a practice of mass interception by usage of mass surveilience.

You made a wrong assumption of what I said in order to confirm your own believes and comfort.

This is called #confimationbias.
This is what I called you in for.

@neudre @InspectorCaracal @troubleMoney
to answer your question what software to use rather then #googleforms

I have used in the past for academic research:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LimeSurvey
(I'm not aware of it's current state of development)

Something simpler and direct to use is being hosted by the freesoftware friendly collective #framasoft.
Their form is free to use and accsasable here:
https://framaforms.org/

@paulfree14 @InspectorCaracal @troubleMoney Thanks. That's the one we discussed and is the most likely to use. Regarding the problems with the website, I will investigate. Regarding the ideological part you mentioned about some partners having done research also with the police (including me), I can't comment while wearing a scientist's hat, but genuinely delighted to discuss in private and not in tiny toots. Sorry, I'm old. - And really thanks for being so helpful!

@neudre @InspectorCaracal I'm certainly imagining that

Doing it as well actually by calling out a project that's untrustworthy and, even if it were trustworthy, entirely missing the point by trying to build a technological solution to a social problem

I hope we of the fediverse have been helpful to you in determining that that's what we do here

@troubleMoney @InspectorCaracal You make very fair points, but I feel you are dismissing completely the pursuit of looking for technological solutions to social problems. Isn't the fediverse a technological solution to a social problem? It certainly isn't a social or education-based solution. What do you think?

@neudre @troubleMoney The fediverse is a technological solution to an economic problem, so, no.

@InspectorCaracal @neudre also the tech problem of facilitating long-range communications but primarily what you said, yes

@neudre @troubleMoney To be more precise:

the provision of freely available, interoperable social networking software which anyone can run prevents the siloing effect of the Silicon Valley Entrepreneur approach to technology, which is driven by a capitalist profit-driven economy. The fediverse detaches the provision of a service from the need to Be A Successful Business, freeing it from such issues as anti-competitive approaches and desires for monopolizing the provision of technology.

@InspectorCaracal @troubleMoney I will not disagree, but I personally find it a bit harder to differentiate completely between the social and the economic element. You articulated it well though.

@neudre @troubleMoney The issue is that while the repercussions are primarily social, the actual issue being solved is one that is economic. The separate areas are not isolated systems; they all feed into each other, because they are all made up of people.

Anyway I think that your project is well-meaning and not entirely a bad idea but in the end will be entirely ineffectual and yet another technological silo, which is the antithesis of the fediverse, so.

@InspectorCaracal @troubleMoney That's exactly where I am getting at. In the interest of me not influencing or misinterpreting your thoughts, can you please articulate in a bit more detail precisely what you feel #EUNOMIA is doing completely wrong and as such leads it to the antithesis of the fediverse?