@Jacki@radical.town tbh i just prefer regular-ass hair elastics, or even the types that are a little closer to a scrunchie (lol) since the fabric barrier there is nice to keep it from mangling my hair. but tbh even more than that i've been really enjoying these foamy bun maker things. however i don't really wear my hair up in a ponytail, just a messy bun when i need it up, so it's that or the claw type hairclips for me.