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also some day i'll remember it's spatial and not spacial but Today Is Not That Day

WELL THAT WAS A NICE BIOLOGY JAUNT

where'd i fucken put that textbook tho

it was the sole biology textbook that didn't feel like i was chewing glass when i read it, even as it stepped me through a neuron-by-neuron level of What Happen When Frog See Bug

@BalooUriza error, as it seems most people who are successful at human echolocation were not born blind but rather became blind later in life, usually a bit younger, with that neurological plasticity still there).

but at the end of the day - the echoes are what make *echo*location. the distinction about the ability to register a click off a bug is why the word echolocation *exists*.

the term you are looking for is "auditory spatial processing" for what you describe :)

@BalooUriza it explains how their brains were able to be that plastic to adapt - there was, in essence, space not being used that could be immediately repurposed, that was able to fall into generally the same spot of spacial awareness processing. there's some studies been done here highlighting the neurological differences that have resulted https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_echolocation#Neural_substrates_of_echolocation_in_the_blind and showing that a lot of the time it basically is an adaptation of that visual processing area. (though i apologise for above>

@BalooUriza for what a bat processes, not just because a bat has specific neurological structures (that some rare sufficiently plastic human brains have been able to jury-rig something like) for obtaining/processing echolocation information, but also because a bat is going to be able to process that alongside visual input and make it into a whole. the few humans who have developed true echolocation are, to my knowledge, completely blind, and often have been since birth, which makes sense as >

@BalooUriza that is feeding into another and another set of imaging systems directly - like an airport that not only gathers data from radar, but also from satellite images of the weather, radio chatter with the pilots, and even specific variants of that radar system like IFF transponders.

basically it's a sufficiently different kettle of fish.

additionally, i think my point still stands here. the humans that know what it is to 'see' with echolocation are not going to seamlessly substitute >

@BalooUriza it's a bit like saying radar is just listening, and therefore the ancient chinese defense system as explored by the mythbusters http://www.discovery.com/tv-shows/mythbusters/mythbusters-database/chinese-sonar-invasion-alarms/ is radar, and is equal to radar being used in submarine warfare, so the differences are close enough to be the same, despite the supposedly ancient chinese system not using any radio waves in their RAdio Detection And Ranging. there's enough difference there, especially when you consider how radar is one imaging system >

@BalooUriza despite my best efforts, the book i think has been absorbed into my dad's book collection lol, which is a damn shame that i can't remember the thing's title enough to find it and link it online, as it's one of the very few textbooks i read that i considered a good read instead of yet another block of concrete to endure.

anyway, i think that echolocation is really different from what you're describing, which is audio processing of spacial awareness and depth of field. >

@BalooUriza not exclusively, sure, but they do have brain structures which process those visual-audio inputs very differently than humans do, especially when using echolocation proper (making a noise and responding to the echo of that input) and - presumably, bc we haven't interviewed bats reliably yet lmao - combining this into a gestalt understanding of the world around them.

there's a chapter on this in my old textbook if i manage to dig it up, it's actually a quite nice read, let me go look

@BalooUriza isn't that just audiological-spacial processing, though? echolocation requires an echo, since the concept is a bit more like radar. there are definitely some humans who have claimed to master this though to some degree, usually after being born blind, and they very much rely on sending a sound out (like clicking) to get the feedback. it's thought that the extra brainspace is malleable enough to make it work. (it's been a bit since my evolutionary neurology class lol)

@InspectorCaracal oh jeez yeah that's a very different kettle of fish. i've only used it on my laptop where i have my graphics tablet with, like, an actual stylus, lol

@InspectorCaracal the other program recs i have for Just Drawing are Mischief, which has kind of a unique ability but i find it really nice, and actually the little free edition of Autodesk Sketchbook with Copic lmao

i actually quite like the latter (even if it's hard to find a download for it these days) bc by just giving you the "hey here's your limited color set of markers", it means i didn't get bogged down on MUST FIND JUST THE EXACT RIGHT COLOR, which is nice for quick sketches!

after watching the benchmark here's my true reaction to what it looks like smn's gonna get up to in #ffxiv

note: this is the best LAMB SAUCE LOCATED style carbuncle i can do in like 5 minutes ok

urianger gave alisaie the balance and not me.

betrayal. BETRAYAL. i take back EVERYTHING i EVER said even REMOTELY GOOD about your stupid sexy face, urianger. EVERYTHING!!!!!!!!

yes i know alisaie is the rdm and benchmark characters are all drk, and i know alisaie is my beloved daughter, but MOMMY NEEDS HER BALANCE

@InspectorCaracal solidarity

except i'm apparently greying pubes-first. i have no idea what that means.

p.s. scalies exempt from this, but i would also like to introduce the idea: what if pubic scales? thank you for coming to my TED talk.

@eightbitsamurai@elekk.xyz ok but..... is there a One Ear Up One Ear Down option

because that is the MOST powerful

anyway now that i posted that Hot Opinion here's the relevant art for it, feat. my #ffxiv main and Haurchefant

it's nsfw but not actually any fuckin' just nudity and absurdity and a catgirl who has shaved her pubes into a unicorn head.

really there comes a time in every artists' life when they just accept that on some level, they just wanna be oglaf, okay?