@Eweish Not a new observation, but: sometimes it’s self-hatred and insecurity. (Sounds like a mirror image of the enby-phobia I’ve sometimes seen from binary trans people.)
@Eweish Clumsy way to refer to trans women and trans men but not trans people who are agender/nonbinary. (Clumsy because it’s not a distinction we should need to be making, arguably, but...)
@Eweish Not seeing what? Sorry, but I’m afraid you’ve lost me here.
@Eweish I’ve seen trans people demand that non-binary people “make up their minds”, though.
@Eweish I don't see what @ghost_bird has said that in any way implies all trans men and women are binarist? Just that the gender binary does not necessarily exclude trans men and women. Certainly there are trans men and women who push for a notion of gender binary that still allows them to be recognised in their identities.
I think it's useful to have language to describe those people who are more capable of assimilation into cis society.
@Eweish @ghost_bird Who is attacking older trans women and men? I'm just saying I see a value in having a word for those who find themselves able to make their identity legible to cis world. You may well disagree with that, and we can have a discussion about the merits and drawbacks of having such a concept, but nobody here is attacking older trans women and men.
@Eweish @ghost_bird If I tell someone I'm a woman, I don't have to explain to them what a woman is. My identity is privileged by society; not so much as a cis person's identity is, clearly, but more privileged compared to someone whose identity falls outside of both "man" and "woman". I find it useful to be able to talk about this phenomenon.
@Eweish @ghost_bird Again. Nobody is saying this.
@Eweish @ghost_bird Someone saying that, occasionally, trans men and women can be shitty to nonbinary folk.
@Eweish @ghost_bird "I've sometimes seen this" is a far cry from saying "this thing always happens"
@Eweish @ghost_bird Nobody. Said. That.
@Eweish @ghost_bird I don't think it does. And given that the person you're criticising for using the term admitted herself that it was a clumsy one...
@Eweish @ghost_bird Like, sure, argue against the use of the term "binary". But you're reading what was said in a way that it's clear (at least to me) it was never intended, and belligerently necroing threads several hours later to continue the same argument, and I don't think that's on.
@Eweish @ghost_bird When I saw someone I respected and admired (i.e. you) harassing someone, I felt like I ought to step in.
@Eweish @ghost_bird She didn't either? She said "binary", not "binarist". These are two different words.
@Eweish @lambdagrrl @ghost_bird but not everyone does. Some trans people do embrace the binary.
And some have experienced shitty behaviour from people with internalized transphobia.
Could we not attack people for saying this? If we're not allowed to even talk about harmful behaviour, how can we heal from it?
