Problems with ProjectEUNOMIA
1) sinister as fuck name, irrelevant to discussions but it wouldn't have hurt them to call it Project Fluffy Bunnies or something
2) anything they build will just move the problem from people blindly believing anything they read to people blindly believing anything they read that has a green checkmark or whatever next to it which doesn't solve the original problem
3) obvious abuse potential of anything they build
also misinformation isn't an internet problem
people have been spreading misinformation since we climbed down from the proverbial trees and probably a bit before then
it's a critical thinking problem, and you can't solve that with software
@troubleMoney YES!!!!!
you can only solve it with the way you approach child education
@InspectorCaracal @troubleMoney Yes, education works to a good extent. #EUNOMIA aims to get people involved in the process too. Imagine if people didn't just ignore a piece of info that they feel certain to be untrustworthy, but did something about it. Now what that something will look like (i.e., just a "trust / don't trust this post" vote or something else), we need the help of the fediverse to determine. Hence, going public so crazily early, before even having a prototype to show to you.
@neudre @InspectorCaracal I'm certainly imagining that
Doing it as well actually by calling out a project that's untrustworthy and, even if it were trustworthy, entirely missing the point by trying to build a technological solution to a social problem
I hope we of the fediverse have been helpful to you in determining that that's what we do here
@neudre @troubleMoney The fediverse is a technological solution to an economic problem, so, no.
@InspectorCaracal @neudre also the tech problem of facilitating long-range communications but primarily what you said, yes
@neudre @troubleMoney To be more precise:
the provision of freely available, interoperable social networking software which anyone can run prevents the siloing effect of the Silicon Valley Entrepreneur approach to technology, which is driven by a capitalist profit-driven economy. The fediverse detaches the provision of a service from the need to Be A Successful Business, freeing it from such issues as anti-competitive approaches and desires for monopolizing the provision of technology.
@InspectorCaracal @troubleMoney I will not disagree, but I personally find it a bit harder to differentiate completely between the social and the economic element. You articulated it well though.
@neudre @troubleMoney The issue is that while the repercussions are primarily social, the actual issue being solved is one that is economic. The separate areas are not isolated systems; they all feed into each other, because they are all made up of people.
Anyway I think that your project is well-meaning and not entirely a bad idea but in the end will be entirely ineffectual and yet another technological silo, which is the antithesis of the fediverse, so.
@InspectorCaracal @troubleMoney That's exactly where I am getting at. In the interest of me not influencing or misinterpreting your thoughts, can you please articulate in a bit more detail precisely what you feel #EUNOMIA is doing completely wrong and as such leads it to the antithesis of the fediverse?
@troubleMoney @InspectorCaracal You make very fair points, but I feel you are dismissing completely the pursuit of looking for technological solutions to social problems. Isn't the fediverse a technological solution to a social problem? It certainly isn't a social or education-based solution. What do you think?