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How am I supposed to take internet leftists seriously if they can't even convince each other and their close friends/family to get out of walled gardens? That is a pretty minimal task compared to say: literally organizing anything.

Of course I only expect whining about how it's too hard in the replies and reactionary responses disavowing good libratory technology because admitting change needs to happen temporarily makes you a hypocrite in the current comment thread. The internet revolutionary's program is whatever makes you the most ideologically pure with the least effort.

Maybe we shouldn't abolish capitalism then, since that's not what we're doing now, and we shouldn't be seen as hypocritical of course.

It's always "too hard", not eating meat, not using blatant spyware, not learning to avoid harmful language because it's "too complicated".

Everybody has different levels of "doable" on different days, and change never happens overnight, but don't decide what can't be done by just limiting yourselves to symbolic actions instead of possibilities of meaningful change, in whatever form that may be.

There can't be any revolution if all you do is talk but you never try

"Punching Left" / Online "revolutionary" discourse 

@lunaterra not familiar with the phrase "walled gardens", what is that in reference to? O_o

"Punching Left" / Online "revolutionary" discourse 

@solarpunkagorism @lunaterra While internet "pure theorist" is an issue, this is an awfully weird grouping of multiple things together under the same banner of what you consider "praxis":
"not eating meat, not using blatant spyware, not learning to avoid harmful language because it's 'too complicated'" wut?

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@solarpunkagorism @lunaterra
A. Since when is veganism a "revolutionary act"?
B. "Avoid harmful languages" is good but not really any more revolutionary than spreading awareness.
C. "Not using blatant spyware" is a consumer choice, similar to veganism.

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@solarpunkagorism @lunaterra
In short it's really hard to see what you're describing as "possibilities of meaningful change". It would have made more sense if you say "encourage people to unionize" or "feed the poor" or "create local mutual support program with friends and neighbors"?

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@danishcookies @solarpunkagorism "consumer choices" involving free shit are just "choices" (I made a long post about "no such thing as ethical consumption under capitalism" a while ago so I'm not re-treading that here). But the point of the examples is that they are all trivial decision which don't even involve much organizing or even any, yet I get replies when I talk about them from leftists that typically amount to excuses for not trying on really basic shit to seem ideologically pure. If really basic shit concerning improving your habits to make the world a better place is out of the question I find it hard to genuinely believe in the same people actually organizing any kind of community for the same purpose.

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@lunaterra @solarpunkagorism I think the general conscientious about them is that these life style decisions are trivial and not impactful and focusing on policing people about it is mostly liberal facade of trying to get a sense of accomplishment for little effort?

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@lunaterra @solarpunkagorism Like it's kind of funny to make such a big deal about "not using plastic straws" when the core issue that needs to be fixed is consumerism as a culture and a part of the capitalistic system?

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@danishcookies @solarpunkagorism cyberia.social/@lunaterra/1017
My take is that the real lifestylists are the people who've coopted the phrase to excuse personal inaction to preserve their unsustainable lifestyles

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@lunaterra @solarpunkagorism Every lifestyle is unsustainable under capitalism, even the ones you consider "healthier"(which definitely has a trade off somewhere in the system). Focusing on policing it is a waste of time. If you think you want to abide to your moral code, sure. But policing people and saying that as a "first step of revolutionary" is a sort of liberal fantasy.

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@lunaterra @solarpunkagorism If they would not even try anything else then this is much more serious than "not following a healthy lifestyle." You're focusing on the symptoms and not the core issue.

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@danishcookies @solarpunkagorism the fact that eating meat is environmentally harmful, nonfree software harms you freedoms, etc. is independent of ideology or economic system. Science doesn't care about that. The next disease originating from factory farms won't be checking your genome to see if you were a good leftist before killing you. Only white people at whole foods think in terms of "maybe this will clear up my skin" while they buy an avocado from an increasingly deforested Mexico.

What makes it praxis, is after you've changed yourself (or even made an attempt) is convincing others to do the same, and influencing societal change.

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@lunaterra @solarpunkagorism
Okay the "not eating meat" thing is waaaaayyy more complicated than the way you portrayed it here. In the current market monopolized by neo-hippies, it is not an option for a lot, if not most people. Where I come from veganism and vegetarianism is mere casual and optional cultural practices because greens are readily available for us. But that's another issue.

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@lunaterra @solarpunkagorism
Again, you're being reductive about consumer choices and what factors play in it. It's honestly a waste of time and energy to nag people about and does not play into any thing "revolutionary".

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@lunaterra @solarpunkagorism And honestly, it sounds like a white thing

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