discord, warning about misinformation
There's a warning going around about Discord removing your right to sue, and recommends you opt out of their new thing
But the short version of the new thing is: You can still sue, but you have to tell Discord first so that they can try to resolve it before actually involving the legal system, and if it DOES end up in arbitration, Discord will actually pay the fee.
If you're considering opting out, please read the "Dispute Resolution" section very carefully
discord, warning about misinformation
the terms of service are here: https://discordapp.com/terms
the relevant section is "DISPUTE RESOLUTION"
the misinformation is here: https://www.reddit.com/r/discordapp/comments/9p5uyp/latest_tos_update_revokes_your_right_to_sue/
the explanation from the staff is here: https://www.reddit.com/r/discordapp/comments/9p5uyp/latest_tos_update_revokes_your_right_to_sue/e7zfqw2/
a screenshot describing some other details is here: https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/317913384811233280/502404990107910144/Capture_2018-10-18-01-57-15.png
discord, warning about misinformation
@lizardsquid could I link this toot in a discord chat ? Or copy the text?
discord, warning about misinformation
@kyzh either of those is fine!
discord, warning about misinformation
@lizardsquid you are a star :)
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@lizardsquid That's completely incorrect according to my reading of the terms. You don't retain your right to sue at all. The "arbitration fee" is a red herring, it would generally be much less than the stakes of the lawsuit. Finally the thing about Discord being able to sue you is also a red herring - they were always able to sue you. Arbitration heavily favors corporations over individuals, even more so than courts.
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@lizardsquid Also they cleverly include the following topics to be exempt from the arbitration requirement: "patents, copyrights, moral rights, trademarks, and trade secrets and claims of piracy or unauthorized use of the Site". These are exactly the things Discord wants to sue *you* for, rather than the other way around.
You're completely wrong on every count.
discord, misinformation about misinformation
@axiom if that's your reading, then opting out is a good idea!
The most important part of my toot was the part that says "read the terms very carefully"
If I had more than 500 characters available to me, I would have emphasised that I'm not a lawyer and even if I was I'm more familiar with my country's legal system than the US, but unfortunately I ran out of characters.
discord, warning about misinformation
@lizardsquid Thanks for this! I heard about sending them an email to opt out, but I was very skeptical (stuff like this I've seen before with other things and it was bogus). What a good read; was nice to read their response and stuff :3
discord, warning about misinformation
Some disclaimers I wanted in my original toot but ran out of characters:
‣ I'm not a lawyer. Don't take my advice assuming I'm an expert (but likewise don't do the same for the other advice floating around!)
‣ I'm not in the US, so the US legal system is not something I'm familiar with in any intimate way
‣ Read the Terms carefully. Come to your own conclusion. Or better: find someone who does actually know what they're talking about for legal advice