Esme Povirk @madewokherd@computerfairi.es

When we become sufficiently familiar with an external person's voice that we can imagine them saying a specific thing on demand, is that introjection?

@28of47 That's amazing, congrats!

@joan Yes. System roles are usually pretty flexible.

Common obstacles to getting another host in particular seem to be: host is frontstuck, others lack the endurance to be active long enough, or no one else wants to.

@transfaeries We've been doing alright with consensus decision making. Which is good because it'd suck to have to make big life decisions without a consensus.

iore claiming host was more of a "no one objected so I'm doing it", but as she said it's easily reversible. -Liza

https://twitch.tv/madewokherd Trying this again, after the failure a couple days ago due to tech issues.

I'm going to try to be the system's host. That doesn't mean I'll be fronting all the time or even most of the time necessarily, but I'll be responsible for moment-to-moment bodily operations when no one else is engaged with it, which should hopefully reduce instances of it being left largely unattended.

It does require someone in the system to remember that when I'm needed, so I'm not sure how effective it'll be, especially at first.

-iore

@12 @28of47 That makes a lot of sense. It's really fun seeing you learn about each other from this conversation.

I think it does require active attention for us to comprehend speech, although we are able to mentally buffer and replay a limited amount of it if we miss it the first time around.

We have noticed that we sometimes "background count" without language processing and without the need to replay audio for that, but we're not sure how accurate it is.

@12 @28of47 Hm, that might explain some things, but I'm not sure how to determine whether it's the case.

@12 @28of47 Reflecting on it further, I think the main reason for this is that voice communication requires us to do language processing (both understanding and generation) in real time, when we'd prefer to have control over the pacing. Although we process it as audio either way, when the audio is synthesized by our mind based on written word, we have more control, and less real time attention is needed.

@12 @28of47 I don't think we'd enjoy that, with our preferred mode of communication being text. -Menderbot

@28of47 @12 Wouldn't that require sharing a living space with another system, at least temporarily? I'm not sure how we'd manage that. -Menderbot

@28of47 @12 Now I'm curious whether we could do this. Audio processing does seem to be strong with us, but our preference for communication outside the system is text, not voice, which I think means we've never really had the opportunity.

@12 @28of47 Huh.

I don't think we've ever interacted with another system by voice enough to notice. While there are differences in how we use the body's voice, we haven't really tried to track it, as mindvoice is so much easier to distinguish.

It seems easier for us to detect differences in others' "written" voices than listening.

@28of47 @12 [Entangled] Wait, why is that a matter of auditory ability? And you're saying that auditory ability is unusual?

I don't see how it'd help, when one can't really hear the mindvoices of another system's members.

@jackbrewster I ended up hacking together a command-line tool in Python because I didn't like the way that Anki punishes you for not keeping up with it. "Intervals" are by number of reviews and new cards appear when you run out of reviews. Text only of course. Should work on any platform with Python, which apparently includes iOS, dunno if modification needed there. Probably not what you're looking for (and the code is a mess so I'd feel awkward sharing it), but figured I'd offer in case.