i hate the notion that to make a website today you need to either use a service or a framework

you really don't

please handcraft more HTML

look my gripe is with people who constantly try to replace CSS with something else without understanding/BECAUSE they don't understand it and like, ok, nobody is required to fully understand how a computer works but also please don't shit on things just because you don't get it

CSS has its shortcomings and none of them are pointed out by the people who have the most to complain about CSS

CSS is not a layout engine it's a rules engine to skin the layout that's in the DOM

@mavica_again

I think both have their place. The problem is that it's often presented as a one-or-the-other either by the framework or de facto. I work with Drupal and have to handcraft and neither make it easy!

@mavica_again sooo true :)
I'd add a S to frameworks ;)
which make the ecosystem even harder for a single individual.

Also, if you still want a bit of smoother (than raw HTML) interactions, I discovered HTMx recently, and I loved it ;)

@mavica_again I don't quite handcraft it
i do use a smol framework, but then i run my code thru tidy, so it's nice and readable

and i don't compress my CSS, for the same reason

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