i hate the notion that to make a website today you need to either use a service or a framework

you really don't

please handcraft more HTML

look my gripe is with people who constantly try to replace CSS with something else without understanding/BECAUSE they don't understand it and like, ok, nobody is required to fully understand how a computer works but also please don't shit on things just because you don't get it

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CSS has its shortcomings and none of them are pointed out by the people who have the most to complain about CSS

CSS is not a layout engine it's a rules engine to skin the layout that's in the DOM

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static html builders are the only frameworks you need :cirno_uwu:


I think both have their place. The problem is that it's often presented as a one-or-the-other either by the framework or de facto. I work with Drupal and have to handcraft and neither make it easy!

@mavica_again How do you start? As I'd love to do a blog in straight HTML.

@AlexWolfe @mavica_again It's almost embarrassingly easy.

An HTML file is just a text file, so you just need a text editor to write one. (Even Notepad is fine.) And then you just need a web browser to read it in.

You don't even need a web server to get started -- just make a text file, give it a filename with an .html extension, and double-click it. It should open in whatever your default browser is. Then the workflow is: edit the file in your text editor, save the changes, reload in the browser to see them.

From there, all you need to know is HTML itself -- the basic structure of an HTML document, what elements you can add and how they work, etc. MDN has a tutorial that can teach you that stuff here:

Again, you will be surprised how simple it is. Back in the old days, I used to teach a seminar where I taught people everything they needed to know to build web pages in an hour.

@jalefkowit @AlexWolfe @mavica_again I would recommend using a text editor that has code highlighting, it makes things easier. There are free editors available, like Notepad++ or Geany.

I like to test with Firefox - you can right-click to inspect an element or see the source code to help you fing bugs.

@AlexWolfe @mavica_again If you don't fancy writing the html, as I wouldn't, you could use something like the zim wiki, then export it. Used that a few times when I needed informational sites or sections of a web site, but still retain navigation.

@mavica_again this is a great example of that.

No fancy anything, just straight html

@mavica_again sooo true :)
I'd add a S to frameworks ;)
which make the ecosystem even harder for a single individual.

Also, if you still want a bit of smoother (than raw HTML) interactions, I discovered HTMx recently, and I loved it ;)

@mavica_again I don't quite handcraft it
i do use a smol framework, but then i run my code thru tidy, so it's nice and readable

and i don't compress my CSS, for the same reason

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