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if i want a gui text editor that doesn't use gtk for the sole reason that gnome has not learned in 20 years how to render fonts in a half competent way and you tell me to use vim or emacs i'll make you use windows 95 for a week to learn to use a mouse

2024 linux still to this day has no equivalent to Windows 3.11 Microsoft paint or Microsoft notepad and honestly that's very sad for an operating system that is still trying to break into the desktop market started by apple in 1983 with the Lisa

face it we all gave Linux a shot in the early 2000s because we saw that video of compiz doing the 3d workspace switching thing and thought that was the pinnacle of desktop UI and later lied to ourselves it was because free as in beer or speech software was somehow better than pirating windows xp and now the stronghold of gnome is making you use a worse version of mac os you have to manually fix every update or let go of whatever customisations have even survived this far

but maybe Wayland will fix everything once it finally releases in 20 years

not that it'll run on any current, let alone older, machines we currently own

you're lucky if the same hardware heavily supported 10 years ago by xorg and mesa even boots today

but hey mesa-amber huh

next time someone tells me to try Linux instead of windows i'll just shove this thread in their face

@mavica_again as usual, there are many open source projects to choose; I've tried github.com/maoschanz/drawing in the past and it worked well enough for me.

@mavica_again as for notepad there are so many alternatives on Linux that it's really hard to say there are no options; notepad++, kate, gedit, vscode.. Virtually any distro comes with a pre-installed text editor!

@mavica_again I'm pretty sure that Kate and vscode do not use gtk if that's what you are referring to.

@abeltramo Kate tries to install the whole of kde which i don't want and vscode might be a bit overkill

@mavica_again if Gnome doesn't work for you, maybe you should switch to KDE or another DE. That's the beauty of having freedom of choice and multiple competing projects.
Nobody is forcing you to use Linux btw, it's doesn't come pre-installed in almost every computer on the planet.

@mavica_again I've never used it, but it sure doesn't look like a project that cares about graphical definition.

Maybe instead of complaining about "linux" as a whole, complain about a specific feature missing from a very specific project next time? Just my 2 cents..

@mavica_again and if that's not enough there's also a plethora of new editors written in Rust like Helix, Lapce and Zed.
But I'm sure that the notepad in Windows 95 is superior to all those alternatives

@abeltramo wine is the only thing that seems to render fonts without antialiasing in Linux properly after all

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