Okay this Huawei thing is really bringing up a few issues around a lot of standards bodies being based in the US
The SD Association is based in California which means that Huawei can't say their products support SD cards
And the Wi-Fi Alliance is based in Texas which means Huawei won't be to certify that their products work with wi-fi
And the Bluetooth SIG is based in Washington, which means they can't use Bluetooth
This is a problem
@dashie patents for the z80 are up
could have z80-powered phones I guess
@troubleMoney @dashie there's MIPS and RISC-V
it's unlikely, but seeing a phone running on an open ISA would be cool
@grainloom
The risk here is the Chinese govt forcing spyware. What use is it to buy an "open" CPU is they install spyware microcode in it?
Granted, you could replace it with an open chip bought elsewhere, but I betcha they'll add anti tamper code in the kernel and you're screwed anyway.
When I see big powers and tech giants fighting, I feel like a tiny man watching Godzilla and Kong wrestle in my neighborhood.
@rick_777 @grainloom @troubleMoney @dashie
The risk here is the US govt forcing spyware. What use is it to buy an "open" CPU is they install spyware microcode in it?
Granted, you could replace it with an open chip bought elsewhere, but I betcha they'll add anti tamper code in the kernel and you're screwed anyway.
When I see big powers and tech giants fighting, I feel like a tiny man watching Godzilla and Kong wrestle in my neighborhood.
@troubleMoney Im sorry but the Trump administration is a sack of a**h***s.
@RasmusLindegaard I'm pretty sure we're all abundantly aware of that fact, yes
Well, I just wake up everyday, open my browser and is confirmed in that belief, and increasingly, incredulously surprised by the fact of how true that is.
Leaders of the free world... gimme a break.
@troubleMoney does this set a precedent that ICANN are going to have to do this to their domains?
@troubleMoney
I know exactly zero ppl (including me) who check the box for those certifying bodies.
The fact is it will work with all those protocols.
No problem.
@gemlog not with bluetooth it won't
Sure, SD cards could still be supported in MMC mode, and wi-fi certification isn't too important, but bluetooth requires licensing
licensing that huawei cannot now possibly get which means they can't use bluetooth any more
this isn't even going in to the much larger issue of one idiot being able to prevent a manufacturer from certifying any of their products against international standards, that is the massive problem here
@troubleMoney Thank you for educating me - I didn't know about bluetooth licensing.
That *is* a problem.
I was otherwise happy when I saw this new trumpy attack, because i knew they had a better chip than qualcom and a version of linux for it waiting in the wings.
I suppose they can cheerfully ignore the licensing within their own country and some others.
And, if you can't operate in the usa, you certainly wouldn't care if someone sued you in a usa court.
@gemlog problem with that is most countries do follow international IP law, which means that any products without the right licensing can't be sold there
so if huawei did ignore it then their products can't be sold in a lot of countries, not just the USA
@troubleMoney Agreed. That's why I only said "some" countries. Although, frankly, I don't know which ones exactly.
Even if they do their own OS, it would be useless without any SoC...
ARM is saying they use US tech so that would be an issue.
And pretty much anything is either ARM licenced or Intel/AMD :/