Free has never been free: Data mining, advertisements, data breaches. It's time to demand change to keep our emails safe! 💪😃
https://tutanota.com/blog/posts/webmail-good-bad-secure
@Tutanota hmmm
>We protect your emails from everyone - even from us! Forever free.
"free is not free! except for our free. you can trust us. pinky swear."
y'all know how strongly this smells of bullshit, right?
@wigglytuffitout Yes, we should call it freemium - that would fit better. ;)
@Tutanota oh boy i can't wait to pay for microtransactions to access my email
idk y'all, if you ain't forthcoming about actually reconciling your business model with the business model that you are heavily critiquing and lambasting as corrupt and inherently exploitative, well... boy, that sounds shady as fuck.
right now it just comes off as "tired of being exploited by big companies?! well here, we do things differently - you get exploited by a SMALL company instead! HOORAY!"
@Tutanota given that your entire business model is built on trust - trusting the company to not snoop, to not sell info, to really encrypt as much as promised - this coyness is not really serving y'all. if you want to actually succeed, tell us why your company is different, not just "we're different! trust us!" and no elaboration.
unless you're hella into self-sabotage i guess. in which case, there's probably easier ways to get that kink itch scratched, lol.
@wigglytuffitout You're welcome to check the code on Github: https://github.com/tutao/tutanota/
@Tutanota for the love of god y'all please put the official company social media on ice before you read one (1) whole book about marketing
i will wait for y'all to get to the chapter with the revelation that customers maybe don't wanna buy from a company that acts shady as hell and is evasive when concerns are raised
@wigglytuffitout @Tutanota you need to calm down and stop abusing tutanota staff. you are ranting at them and being rude. there's a human behind there who's reading you what you have to say, if you're upset that's fine but be considerate in your speech
@wigglytuffitout @Tutanota Ok it seems you lack social skills, if you want to engage in a discussion with somebody try not to belittle them from the get go.
@salsa20 @Tutanota i already know there's no chance of making them drastically rethink their entire business model.
that was a "i see the shit you're pulling. if it's obvious to me, it's even more obvious to others. shoo and get out of here, we've clocked you."
businesses don't get sweetly talked into giving up unethical actions. they get forced to give them up - by action that can include warning others of some bullshit afoot, and making sure that company is seen as a dismal failure.
@wigglytuffitout @Tutanota I hear what you're saying about comparing themselves with the mainstream but truthfully I'd rather a company encrypt my emails and fall short of a few things than openly admit to scanning my personal data, wouldn't you? I mean it's based on trust of course. That can't be helped unless you plan to self host, even then you'll probably self host using software that you haven't developed. There is going to some trust element somewhere...
@salsa20 @Tutanota do you really think that this company - so obviously full of bullshit already, evasive about questions, and so on - is going to actually do what they say?
i mean, if i'm gonna get bamboozled, i'm going to at least look for somebody who can P.T. Barnam themselves into quasi-legitimacy. because if they're as good at encrypting as they are marketing, the only encrypting you're going to get is "we put all your emails printed out in the alley but, like, nobody goes there, yknow?"
