Harp the Wigglytuff @wigglytuffitout@computerfairi.es

@salsa20 @Tutanota if there's no "we're supported by patreon, by your donations, by this foundation" clear and obvious - but yet, still, a company, with employees, with offices, with expenses, with servers you're using - then it's not really free, is it? they can't give it all away.

so either it's not really free in that there's some cool charges about to hit your account, or... they aren't as honest as they pinkie promise they are.

i don't trust like that. do you?

@salsa20 @Tutanota by all indications, they're gearing up to be a terrifically shit job. and all they've really said is "trust us, we don't!".

after all, where do they get their money? if it's all free, and they don't use your stuff, then how do they keep the lights on? the hopes and prayers of orphans? you gotta clap your hands like believing in fairies?

especially when they lambast other free services for not really being free, but "uhhh just trust us" for the rest...?

that's a LOL from me

@salsa20 @Tutanota do you really think that this company - so obviously full of bullshit already, evasive about questions, and so on - is going to actually do what they say?

i mean, if i'm gonna get bamboozled, i'm going to at least look for somebody who can P.T. Barnam themselves into quasi-legitimacy. because if they're as good at encrypting as they are marketing, the only encrypting you're going to get is "we put all your emails printed out in the alley but, like, nobody goes there, yknow?"

@salsa20 @Tutanota i already know there's no chance of making them drastically rethink their entire business model.

that was a "i see the shit you're pulling. if it's obvious to me, it's even more obvious to others. shoo and get out of here, we've clocked you."

businesses don't get sweetly talked into giving up unethical actions. they get forced to give them up - by action that can include warning others of some bullshit afoot, and making sure that company is seen as a dismal failure.

lord save me from the tantrums of delicate techbros, basically.

do i have a headache? yes. am i grumpy about this? yes.

am i still right? *also* yes!

if companies don't want people to comment to them directly on bullshit being peddled, there's a great way for them to do this:

put it on a static webpage with no comment section instead of social media

anyway put your odds here that reply comes directly from an employee of whatever techbro-nonsense-du-jour it is, who is now wounded beyond belief that nobody wants to trust the techbro-nonsense implicitly and that someone would be as crass as to not buy the bullshit

@salsa20 @Tutanota honestly i'm struggling to see what is so horribly abusive that you think i am beyond the pale lmao.

is it that i cussed? you know people cuss on the internet, right? you can say 'fuck', it's not illegal or anything. really, it's okay

@salsa20 @Tutanota i find a business selling itself on superior ethics while peddling bullshit to be pretty inconsiderate, lol

if they don't wish to face any criticism, the company will be best served by not posting on social media. i've also been downright restrained in my snark, to be quite honest.

if it bothers you, perhaps you'd like to block me. no amount of white knighting a company is going to make them love you more than they love profit, lol

@InspectorCaracal i totally get you lol. honestly i think at this point it's as good as lying by omission.

i'm also not impressed by the answer i got from challenging the latest bit of bs drifting by of "well here's our github if you have any worries!"

there's something FANTASTICALLY peak techbro about assuming your audience can read your code, and by reading your code, all questions about your morals will be answered, and the code is the Only Thing Needed

@Tutanota for the love of god y'all please put the official company social media on ice before you read one (1) whole book about marketing

i will wait for y'all to get to the chapter with the revelation that customers maybe don't wanna buy from a company that acts shady as hell and is evasive when concerns are raised

@Tutanota "and if you aren't a programmer you just gotta trust us! we still ain't gonna answer how the lights stay on lol"

yeah let me just get a computer science degree real quick so i can continue to completely be ok with your pinkie swear that the rest of the details are all above-board and you're totes m'goats doing exactly what you say you're doing. that sounds totally reasonable. i'm so glad that's literally the only response to concerns. very trustworthy lol

@GlitterDisaster as a rando passing by on the fedi timeline, CONGRATS!!!! that's so exciting!!! \o/ GET THAT HEALTHCARE

especially if the entire pitch is critiquing how GREEDY BIG DATA IS PROFITING FROM YOUR PERSONAL INFORMATION, but they're different because uh... totes trust 'em you guise

"how do you keep the lights on then if you don't do that?" remaining steadfastly It's A Secret :) in contrast is just uh.... well, scummy-sounding

like are these "we don't sell your data!" promises just elaborate honeypots or what lmfao. at least with google i get to be one drop in a deluge, so no thanks

i may just be getting cynical, but why does it seem like the vast majority of these "new ethical internet services that respect your privacy" are just

"we don't make money from ads or your data like those other chumps! we're also freeeeee!"

me: ok cool, so how do you financially keep afloat?

"we don't sell ads or data :) we respect you :) but free!"

me: okay... but how y'all gettin' paid? how is this service offered for free?

"we respect you! :) free!"

me: ....k

@Tutanota given that your entire business model is built on trust - trusting the company to not snoop, to not sell info, to really encrypt as much as promised - this coyness is not really serving y'all. if you want to actually succeed, tell us why your company is different, not just "we're different! trust us!" and no elaboration.

unless you're hella into self-sabotage i guess. in which case, there's probably easier ways to get that kink itch scratched, lol.

@Tutanota oh boy i can't wait to pay for microtransactions to access my email

idk y'all, if you ain't forthcoming about actually reconciling your business model with the business model that you are heavily critiquing and lambasting as corrupt and inherently exploitative, well... boy, that sounds shady as fuck.

right now it just comes off as "tired of being exploited by big companies?! well here, we do things differently - you get exploited by a SMALL company instead! HOORAY!"

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@Tutanota hmmm

>We protect your emails from everyone - even from us! Forever free.

"free is not free! except for our free. you can trust us. pinky swear."

y'all know how strongly this smells of bullshit, right?

like, this is totally the sort of game i used to play with my toys. you build a town, you have them go on adventures, stuff like that.

i adore how it looks! i think it's pitch-perfect. it looks gorgeous and i think there's been some very canny design going on here. all the simplifications and translations of those simplifications-borne-from-necessity whisper "this is a fun toy, come play with us".

i love it!!!!!! i want the toyset of all this LOL