@solarpunkagorism @lunaterra
In short it's really hard to see what you're describing as "possibilities of meaningful change". It would have made more sense if you say "encourage people to unionize" or "feed the poor" or "create local mutual support program with friends and neighbors"?

@danishcookies @solarpunkagorism "consumer choices" involving free shit are just "choices" (I made a long post about "no such thing as ethical consumption under capitalism" a while ago so I'm not re-treading that here). But the point of the examples is that they are all trivial decision which don't even involve much organizing or even any, yet I get replies when I talk about them from leftists that typically amount to excuses for not trying on really basic shit to seem ideologically pure. If really basic shit concerning improving your habits to make the world a better place is out of the question I find it hard to genuinely believe in the same people actually organizing any kind of community for the same purpose.

@lunaterra @solarpunkagorism I think the general conscientious about them is that these life style decisions are trivial and not impactful and focusing on policing people about it is mostly liberal facade of trying to get a sense of accomplishment for little effort?

@lunaterra @solarpunkagorism Like it's kind of funny to make such a big deal about "not using plastic straws" when the core issue that needs to be fixed is consumerism as a culture and a part of the capitalistic system?

@danishcookies @solarpunkagorism https://cyberia.social/@lunaterra/101791253478732526
My take is that the real lifestylists are the people who've coopted the phrase to excuse personal inaction to preserve their unsustainable lifestyles

@lunaterra @solarpunkagorism Every lifestyle is unsustainable under capitalism, even the ones you consider "healthier"(which definitely has a trade off somewhere in the system). Focusing on policing it is a waste of time. If you think you want to abide to your moral code, sure. But policing people and saying that as a "first step of revolutionary" is a sort of liberal fantasy.

@lunaterra @solarpunkagorism If they would not even try anything else then this is much more serious than "not following a healthy lifestyle." You're focusing on the symptoms and not the core issue.

@danishcookies @solarpunkagorism the fact that eating meat is environmentally harmful, nonfree software harms you freedoms, etc. is independent of ideology or economic system. Science doesn't care about that. The next disease originating from factory farms won't be checking your genome to see if you were a good leftist before killing you. Only white people at whole foods think in terms of "maybe this will clear up my skin" while they buy an avocado from an increasingly deforested Mexico.

What makes it praxis, is after you've changed yourself (or even made an attempt) is convincing others to do the same, and influencing societal change.

@lunaterra @solarpunkagorism
Okay the "not eating meat" thing is waaaaayyy more complicated than the way you portrayed it here. In the current market monopolized by neo-hippies, it is not an option for a lot, if not most people. Where I come from veganism and vegetarianism is mere casual and optional cultural practices because greens are readily available for us. But that's another issue.

@lunaterra @solarpunkagorism
Again, you're being reductive about consumer choices and what factors play in it. It's honestly a waste of time and energy to nag people about and does not play into any thing "revolutionary".

@lunaterra @solarpunkagorism And honestly, it sounds like a white thing