language violence
@LottieVixen@dev.glitch.social this is actually an example of language violence - when I was younger, I said "haitch", and so did many of my classmates, until our teacher forced it out of us, because it was "improper"
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@lizardsquid @LottieVixen@dev.glitch.social Reminds me that at some point I saw a newspaper opinion from whenever ago (late 19th - 20th century?) complaining about students in Oxford pronouncing future as "fewcher" and so on. The writer suggested beating it out of them.
Some people get weird (and evidently aggressively so) about the smallest things.
I mean, I get weird about the smallest things as well, but not like that.
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@BatElite @lizardsquid @LottieVixen ... wait, then how did people even expect it to be pronounced, "fewter"? "foocher"?
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@Thaminga @lizardsquid @LottieVixen@dev.glitch.social No idea, I don't think that was mentioned. Maybe fu-cher? (that might be the base as foo-cher though)
I've heard that accents can change pretty quickly over several decades (probably more easily before there were recordings to refer back to) so it's possible that their preferred way of pronouncing has ironically died out since.
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@BatElite @lizardsquid @LottieVixen Oh yes. Changes in accents are very much the kind of thing that sneaks up on people; people today sound slightly different than they did back in say the 1980s or the 1950s, and while speakers from a century ago would have no trouble understanding people today or vice versa, the discrepancy in pronunciation would be readily noticeable. (cf. this record used to advertise the phonograph, 1906 https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File%3AAdvertising_Record.ogg)
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@Thaminga @BatElite @LottieVixen@dev.glitch.social wow, that's really neat!
a lot of the vowels in that are very different
this also reminds me of how in the early 1900s, "wh" and "w" were pronounced differently - but now they aren't. I learnt this when I tried to learn quikscript, because it provides a unique letter for each unique sound in (their dialect of) English, but because it's so old it has this: https://computerfairi.es/media/cxqq-aMrW_nPmtPd_sg
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@Thaminga @LottieVixen @BatElite @lizardsquid Our dialect is one of those! Which is kind of a mix of Southern American English and Midwestern American English.
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@lizardsquid @BatElite @LottieVixen some dialects still have that distinction, in fact!