well, #libremone and #purism are continuing to be run by "is this just them being hopelessly naiive, or is this some sort of malice"
i'd still think a "hey, we're sorry bout the screw-up" would be in order, as it now just leaves the rules stressing about how they totally will have moderators accepting reports from other instances hanging there awkwardly, smelling of an unfinished scandal.
the effort is commendable - but boy, that removal of examples of harassment is GLARING.
the attribution's right there at least for the open-source community guidelines. but comparing the two?
https://community-covenant.net/version/1/0/ lays out explicitly bad behavior to avoid.
#purism just says "don't be bad. and if you have any questions about what bad is, privately contact an admin."
listen, i may not be a tech wunderkid, but i've been around for awhile. "follow the rules or else. the rules are all unspoken and we're not going to elaborate more unless it's in private." ...is dodgy.
ultimately it always translates to "we don't publicly post the rules because every single person gets a different version of them to follow, depending on sex, gender, skin color, phase of the moon, and if we like you or not."
aka, get ready for the bff of a mod to get away with murder while you get bounced for eating a hot dog with mustard instead of kechup.
or, the more likely variant in this case? " #purism refuses to list #libremone rules because who stays and who goes depends on $$ given"
this is either planned maliciousness, OR a level of naiivete that means the ethical security #purism offers can never be fulfilled.
this is a safe space, but being run by people who think that a safe space can first be achieved by no moderator reports at all (!), and now is emphatically saying safety can be achieved by NOT letting people who are targets of specific types of harassment know they're safe because the space is explicitly against sexism/racism/etc.
...peak techbro.
this is becoming a running gag for #purism i feel.
"ethics" okay, how is your company ethical "with ethics!" don't you think if your company is ethical you should acknowledge better how you're using open-source stuff "BUT WE'RE ETHICAL"
"we're against harassment!" okay, how are you doing that "we're against it!" what do you consider harassment "we're against harassment." so... you're against taking any stand about what harassment is, other than being against it. "we're against harassment!"
@wigglytuffitout it sounds very "we believe in freedom of speech™️"
@InspectorCaracal "well i've never been harassed online so i don't see a need for any of that! it's irrelevant! anyway the marketplace of ideas will handle it :)"
peak TechBro ™️
@wigglytuffitout oh god "marketplace of ideas" is the most cringe-worthy thing I've read all week
@wigglytuffitout You could make this into a Monty Python sketch very easily
@InspectorCaracal honestly i'm sure you could
either that or my initial assessment is right and purism/librem.one is being run by a marketing manager who saw it as a great moneymaking opportunity, but tried to learn a little of the lingo to smooth over the con, and put on an audiobook about online ethics on while he slept, but it skipped and repeated one bit
so now he can only say 'ethics', rather like
@sydneyfalk y e p.
whether they're shitters themselves, or just willing to look the other way if they get their money at the end of the day, i don't know. and i don't know if it even matters.
and this is the company that's selling all their other products on "ethics!" because "we promise, we won't ever access your account or do evil things... we're ethical! ethics! :) please give us money for being good good ethics boys."
lmao yea cool they're gonna sell shit in a heartbeat with this attitude
@wigglytuffitout I read it as a refusal to take responsibility, combined with privilege that stops them from taking the consequences seriously.
i honestly do not see the sense in *why* someone would, as a non-bad actor, look at the pre-baked community covenant and go
"ok, now that we've listed examples of how to be a good community member, here's the section about bad shit you shouldn't do. ...let's just say don't do bad things. i know these are all good examples that will let people know we will not tolerate that sort of thing here, thus making it a safe and appealing space. ...but let's just take all that out, we don't need it :)"