honestly, with @brainblasted talking to the admins and the admins making it clear their stance is pro-bigotry in the "well mneh mneh we just luv freeze peach too much so we can't do anything to stooop that" way, i'd urge everyone to be really vocal that #purism / #libremone are now selling dangerous products
the some products might even be good! but paying for the security of a gated community means nothing when the guard knows your roommate's a serial killer, and does nothing about it.
(i mean, idk if their encryption works like that. i'm a bio/english major ok? i took one semester of java for non cs majors for my math requirement. but i'm just sayin', if a company like purism sells stuff with "you're safe with us, pinky promise we swear!" and then pulls these boneheaded stunts that show their definition of "ethics" is bass-ackwards, i would not trust that pinky promise very much.)
@oct2pus what makes it maddening is that i think we're at a tipping point where consumers are more and more aware that legality =/= morality, AND that consumers are wanting to no longer accept "we do as required by law and no more". it's why mastodon exists! heck, it's why purism exists, and that's the market they're trying to get money from!
it's bonkers. why would you say you weren't part of a bubble while also banking on that bubble continuing so you can profit?? 6_9
@wigglytuffitout @brainblasted I am extremely disconcerted by the evidence that Purism has no idea how the fediverse works and does not care.
@InspectorCaracal it seems like purism has no idea how PEOPLE works, and does not care
like... listen, even if i were being a pure capitalist asshole, you know what ISN'T a compelling strategy for making new sales in the forms of additional sign-up accounts, and especially RETAINING those accounts for more $$ over time?
"come on down to our toxic shithole! you'll have a really bad time!"
@oct2pus @wigglytuffitout @brainblasted I would agree except they're literally using a rebranded Mastodon server, so it's less about an ephemeral idea about the fediverse and more not understanding the software they are using.
@oct2pus @wigglytuffitout @brainblasted (I may be wrong about that, do tell me if I am.)
@oct2pus @wigglytuffitout @brainblasted You know we're in agreement, right? XD I'm just primarily indignant at this particular trend of them adopting software without knowing anything about it, as a related but separate issue.
@InspectorCaracal @oct2pus @brainblasted it's all bad and everything's awful and i'm ordering a goddamn dessert but i'll ask 'em to bring two extra spoons. whose round is it to buy again
i wanted to be pedantic because a lot of the ideas for federation came from people who legitimately did want free speech decentralized social networks. I sorta don't want people to forget that because this isn't how it always was and has been, and this can keep changing at any time.
But yeah they sure are trying to hammer a square into a circle. It literally reminds me of people who tell me "Matrix is a replacement for discord" without actually considering what matrix and discord actually...do. A thought just based on the fact they're both chat applications and assume they will be a perfect fit for everyone.
@InspectorCaracal @oct2pus @brainblasted also a distinct lack of understanding of *why this old way is the old way* - which makes me want to tear out my hair and scream on the floor in an entirely different way. the market forces shifted for reasons away from that oldschool style, and for reasons they should probably want to, like, know about, instead of just going "what do you mean there's not the same market for bespoke horsewhips there was now than there was in 1809"
honestly reading the ad copy, it feels like the market for these services are "people who know just enough that privacy is good, but not more." they're aiming to be the America Online of internet privacy, all made easy.
...but declaring you're letting bigotry happen because you get money for it is not good ethics.
with that obvious, i don't think any of their other claims - not accessing data, etc. - can really be trusted.
so - it's a dangerous product, and warnings should go out accordingly.