Harp the Wigglytuff @wigglytuffitout@computerfairi.es

@noelle it's not as if this problem is exactly considered new http://www.stim.com/Stim-x/0996September/Features/ferengi.html nor centers only around avarice. it is, as this thinkpiece from 1996 says, at best really sloppy to be leaning on this collection of traits.

and if a collection - a stereotype - is used, copied from stock characters with real-world settings - then it does in fact hurt people.

idk, i'm probably wasting my breath at this point, i expect nothing more than a block. but hey, i got to read some stuff i guess.

@noelle and dismissing people being hurt like that is ultimately a dick move.

maybe like... listen to some jewish people, https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/made-by-history/wp/2018/08/14/science-fictions-anti-semitism-problem/?utm_term=.a8c8d8c17557 who have noticed these patterns, https://forward.com/culture/film-tv/408447/sci-fi-has-an-anti-semitism-problem-but-not-the-one-you-think/ and recognize the patterns exist, https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SpaceJews and that acknowledging something is harmful does not automatically mean you're giving it power to do more harm, but instead is the first step of recognizing how to KEEP it from doing harm.

@noelle if you're willing to dismiss it all with "well if you say this is making a connection to judaism, you're reaching and actually doing harm by connecting the two you know", ultimately you're also telling the jewish people speaking up about how this shit hurts them - even in something like sci-fi - to sit down and shut up because your enlightened opinion of "well actually THEY'RE the bigots" is more important. ...than the people telling you they're hurt by it.

@noelle tbh i'm not sure why you even came out strong with that argument. it's just a little "i am rubber, you are glue!" to me, far too reminiscent of "well you see, it's not racist because i'm colorblind~". it's some "he who smelt it dealt it" kinda logic that lets people sidestep tough conversations, especially when it comes to works that people are fans of and feel like they must protect.

basically, i think you can do a lot better and actually listen to jewish voices going "this hurts us".

@noelle that logic doesn't hold water for me i'm afraid. it's not implying that jews really have that characteristic - it's reinforcing that this is the stereotype out there in the world right now doing people harm, which is true.

otherwise all discussion of stereotypes would end up being dismissed with "you're giving it credibility and doing harm".

we all know that the "sassy black lady" stereotype is harmful. calling it out is not reinforcing the idea that all black women are Sapphires.

the SQUIRRELS are being MONITORED #dogsofmastodon #doggo #hollypls

@georgesquares@snouts.online ......WELP THAT'S DEFINITELY MORE EVIDENCE FOR MY THEORY time to furiously scribble down notes

@georgesquares@snouts.online AW SHIT QUICK UHHHHHH CAN I DISTRACT YOU WITH THAT TIME WHEN DISNEY PUT IN AN HONEST TO FUCK FURRY BURLESQUE SCENE? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2IctxaCPqw

it's like pocket sand but more garter belts

I FEEL LIKE I'VE JUST FOUND SOME SORT OF FEDIVERSE ROSETTA STONE. THIS IS A MAJOR DISCOVERY. WHO WANTS TO CO-AUTHOR THE PAPER WITH ME.

i understand it. i UNDERSTAND now. this is a BREAKTHROUGH. it's animorphs! IT'S ANIMORPHS. THE UR FURRY-TF-KINK PROGENITOR.

i still don't understand the pool toys, mind you, but listen, i'll get there. i'll get there. just give me a research grant and i'll get there

IS THE POPULARITY OF THE BOOK SERIES "ANIMORPHS" THE REASON WHY ALL Y'ALL OUT THERE ARE NOW SO FUCKING HORNY FOR TRANSFORMATION KINKS.

wait a second

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hold on

i just had a major galaxy-brain tier realization hold on

@InspectorCaracal (still bitter about the person who decided to have a roaring go at me for passing out toys instead of candy for halloween. like jfc random tumblr dude. do you fucking hate joy or what. "it's plastic ticky-tacky they'll just throw away you're harming the environment!!!" one did you even SEE the toys i picked? eggs filled with dino erasers. DINO ERASERS. also two it's not like reeses pb cups are perfectly eco-friendly!!! LET ME LIVE)

@InspectorCaracal i may be too used to tumblr still, because i had reached the annoying amount of followers for some goddamn reason where it was that perfect balance of "nobody comes for reasonable conversation, BUT AS SOON AS YOU POKE YOUR HEAD OUT OF THE FOXHOLE YOU BEST BELIEVE YOU'RE GONNA GET YOUR HAT SHOT CLEAR OFF"

so it's just me glaring warily, armed to the teeth, casting firebolt i mean 💿 🐴 into the darkness

"harp, that emoji 'disc horse' means 'discourse' joke is not as funny as you think it is"

mmmmm welllllll have you considered i am actually a master wordsmith and clever beyond all things hmmmmmm (i'm not going to ever stop doing it) ( 💿 🐴 .... goes meta.... because it's now 💿 🐴 about 💿 🐴 AYOOOOOOO)

well now that i've done that i expect either (1) i will be blocked, or (2) i will wake up to three million nastygrams, or (3) all of the above, because i take an especially bleak view of the 💿 🐴 and how it typically ends up

@noelle you don't have to throw all star trek, or even all ferengi, in the bin forever because they're no longer morally pure media etc etc.

but you DO have to accept that "the money hungry jew" is a stereotype just as prevalent and vicious as the Mammy or the Jezebel for black women, etc.

it's real, and it's there, and it will continue hurting jewish people whether or not you want to recognize that it exists. you get to choose if you want to recognize it as a thing and work to stop it, or not

@noelle so yeah, might be worth a tour around google to read some shit like https://jwa.org/encyclopedia/article/stereotypes-in-united-states , https://www.jweekly.com/2013/04/12/jews-and-money-the-stereotype-the-history-the-reality-jccsf-series-explores/ , https://www.bh.org.il/blog-items/jews-money-anti-semitic-views/ , etc. - contemporary sources talking about how "jews are money hungry" was and still is very much a stereotype, and is something still impacting people today. it's especially a stereotype that has blood on its hands - a main economic motivator of many pogroms, massacres, and genocides.

@noelle these things are allowed to fester because it's easier to just pass it on along. even - and especially - in shit we love. so sometimes it takes sitting down and listening to, for example, the jewish community talk about how the "money-hungry jew" stereotype - even reflected in scifi - hurts them, and believing them, especially in these modern times of alt-right youtubers prattling on about "international jewry globalism". ("jews = rich = controlling us" is alt-right dogma after all.)

@noelle i try to strive for the latter instead of the former, even when it's hard to really sit down and confront the fact that something i'm a really big fan of isn't perfect. i mean god. star wars. we could be here all fucking day with the first 2 hours just being a presentation entitled Oh God, Jarjar Binks. it's also not immune to "wait is this a jewish stereotype? ah shit" either.

but part of being interested in justice is not just letting shit pass because that's easier, yknow?