maple "mavica" syrup [6502] @mavica_again@computerfairi.es

if i want a gui text editor that doesn't use gtk for the sole reason that gnome has not learned in 20 years how to render fonts in a half competent way and you tell me to use vim or emacs i'll make you use windows 95 for a week to learn to use a mouse

@mrklein at a glance very promising. i'll check tomorrow!

@delightfuldude i think pointing devices are the future

@tchauhan i like my mouse

i am asking this because i want a text editor in windowmanager that does not have the broken gtk font rendering

@lilongueti it also tries to install all of kde with it, which is less than ideal in windowmanager

@krishean and no amount of changing supposedly GTK settings in any one of the 50 different configuration files such as xdefautls xresources lxappearance gtk-query-settings etc have any effect on font rendering. Your computer is yours as long as you accept the maintainer's love for autohinting

@krishean precisely.

@krishean windowmaker also uses pango, which is why bdf and pcf fonts no longer load and i have to manually convert them to otb. however this doesn't affect gtk font autohinting

is there a linux text editor that doesn't use gtk

@krishean best i can tell is gtk font rendering and gtk font rendering alone forces autohinting even if the font already carries manual hinting because gnome maintainers are allergic to bitmap fonts and fonts that are already made for low dpi. non gtk font renderers render my fonts-with-already-hinting without issues.

@krishean nope, nothing. changnig any other font setting and saving the scite properties immediately takes effect, so i know the settings file works.

@krishean ms sans serif is supposed to be variable width, i'm trying to show that the windowmaker preview doesn't have the gross fake wrong pixel hinting scite does

the terminal is using sundae not ms sans serif, and also doesn't render through pango

@krishean OK, I took the TTF from Win10 and refreshed my cache and restarted windowmaker and scite. Font is not the problem.

linux is a wonderful server software for running blades and racks and microservices

it's 100% an intentional and cruel joke as a desktop system

i'm the embodiment of the proof that linux has not been ready for desktop usage since 2004

@krishean then in this case i don't think it's the problem of the font. ms sans serif renders just fine in XP and it happens to render the very same way in the same font sizes in the windowmaker UI. i don't know what one of the thousands of x11 dependencies windowmaker or scite uses to render fonts. the only place where it seems to not render correctly is scite. i think it's silly for a computer to have more than one way to render a font

@krishean the only thing i can find when i search for "fonts with pixel hinting" are 1000 bullshit articles titled "what is font hinting anyway????"

we have forgotten how to draw fonts for low DPI. it's lost media.

@krishean all the ms fonts i have in this system right now are truetypes from xp, i don't think ms sans serif changed since then? (until it got outright retired anyway)

if you have another source for fonts with good hinting that can be printed without any form of antialiasing at all (something 100% impossible to google for in 2024) please enlighten me. i can't wait for 2024 linux to have a similar capability of font rendering as 1995 windows